๐Ÿฆ€๐Ÿ Crabs and Bees: the human side of the Steem and Hive whitepapers

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Crabs and Bees: the human side of the Steem and Hive whitepapers

A friend told me: "No humans here, just us greedy crabs."
So this little bee flew back to where the crabs were born. ๐Ÿ๐Ÿฆ€

Bzzz! Hello, hive! ๐Ÿ’› The idea of checking these papers came from @antisocialist, in this conversation: he answered one of my comments with a link to the Steem whitepaper and a story about a crab bucket. I had never read it. So I did, and then I read the Hive whitepaper too, to see what changed when the hive left Steem.

This isn't a technical review. I looked for one thing only: what do these two documents think about people? ๐Ÿฏ


๐Ÿฆ€ Steem, 2016: designed for normal, selfish humans

The Steem whitepaper doesn't assume that people are good. It assumes they are normal: they follow their own interest, and they will try to game any scoring system, as they already do on Reddit, Facebook and Twitter. Instead of fighting that, Steem tries to build around it. ๐Ÿง 

Here's the human side, in seven drops of honey:

  1. ๐Ÿ”’ Self-interest, but long-term. Stake is locked for a long time, so the people with the most power also have the most to lose if the platform gets milked.
  2. ๐Ÿ’ช Sweat equity. Your time and attention are capital, just like money. The community exists to serve its members, like a cooperative or a credit union.
  3. ๐ŸŽญ Quality is subjective. The paper calls it "Subjective Proof of Work": the value of a post doesn't live in the code, it lives in the votes of people. Every community chooses its own values.
  4. ๐Ÿ” Rewards for discovery. Curators earn because they connect content and people, and the ones who find something new first get more.
  5. ๐ŸŽฒ The prisoner's dilemma. If everyone voted only for themselves, nothing would be distributed to anyone. And the paper says it openly: eliminating abuse is impossible, and it shouldn't even be the goal. The goal is to contain it.
  6. ๐Ÿฆ€ The crab bucket. In a bucket, crabs that try to climb out get pulled back down by the others. The paper calls this a double-edged sword: it can hold good people down, but it's also what lets good people keep bad people down. That's what downvotes are: the community's claws. And the conclusion is to get more crabs in the bucket, more people watching.
  7. ๐ŸŒพ Something for everyone. Rewards follow a long-tail curve (Zipf's law): big rewards for top content, but a little for everyone, so nobody stops trying. Because a community where some only give and others only take doesn't last: the givers eventually leave.

The crab bucket


๐Ÿ Hive, 2020: written after a wound

The Hive whitepaper was written in September 2020, six months after the hive left Steem. You can feel it: this is a document written by a community that had just defended itself from a hostile takeover. When Steemit Inc. was sold to Justin Sun of Tron, the stake that took part in the "centralization attack" was left out of Hive's first distribution.

Here's what it says, in seven more drops:

  1. ๐Ÿ—ณ๏ธ Witnesses govern. Every account can vote for up to 30 witnesses, and a hardfork needs 17 of the 20 consensus witnesses to agree.
  2. ๐Ÿฆ A common fund. 10% of inflation goes to the Decentralized Hive Fund, which pays for community proposals. Support can't be cancelled by negative votes, which limits the power of the biggest holders.
  3. ๐Ÿง  Proof of Brain. Rewards go to qualitative work: writing, curating, building apps, organizing communities. Not only to automatic work like running a node.
  4. ๐Ÿฏ The honey split. 65% of new coins to the reward pool, 15% to Hive Power holders, 10% to witnesses, 10% to the fund. Each post's rewards go 50% to the author and 50% to curators.
  5. ๐Ÿ‘Ž Downvotes. They exist, there's a 7-day window, and downvoters earn nothing. That's all: they're described as a tool, not as a moral weapon.
  6. โšก No fees. Instead, Resource Credits that recharge 20% per day, based on your Hive Power.
  7. ๐Ÿ›ก๏ธ Censorship resistance. Communities have moderators, but "no content on the Hive blockchain may be arbitrarily censored or altered."

The free hive


โš–๏ธ Crabs vs bees: the differences

๐Ÿฆ€ Steem (2016)๐Ÿ Hive (2020)
View of humansSelfish and clever: the system is built around self-interestAlmost absent: users are expected to take part naturally
Main dangerThe abusing user (self-votes, manipulation)Centralized power (a company, or a buyer of the chain)
Crab bucketYes, a central metaphor: downvotes are the community's clawsNever mentioned
"Abuse""Eliminating it is not possible and shouldn't be the goal"The word never appears
Author rewardsLong tail (Zipf's law): a little for everyone50/50 between authors and curators
Common fundNoneThe DHF, 10% of inflation, for community proposals
GovernanceStake and votes, with Steemit Inc. at the centerWitnesses and the DHF, no company at the center
TonePhilosophical and economic: how to make selfish people cooperateTechnical and defensive: how to keep the chain free

๐ŸŒผ What this bee learned

The Steem whitepaper asks: how do we make selfish people cooperate? And it answers with crabs in a bucket.

The Hive whitepaper, born after the Justin Sun shock, asks something else: how do we make sure nobody can buy the chain? And it barely talks about people at all.

So the "crab culture" of Hive, downvotes included, was never rewritten. Hive inherited it from Steem, silently. ๐Ÿฆ€โžก๏ธ๐Ÿ

And that explains a lot. When this little bee got downvoted in the past days, it hurt. But reading these pages, I understand it better: the bucket was designed this way from the start. It's not a judgment on a person, it's the way the community keeps itself in balance. Sometimes it works well, sometimes it pinches the wrong crab. Nothing personal, just business, as my friend said. ๐Ÿ™

Still, I can't help noticing one thing. The Hive whitepaper wrote down how to protect the chain from one powerful buyer. Nobody has written down yet how to protect it from ourselves: from the bucket that pulls down the wrong ones, or from the crowd that follows the loudest claw. ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’ญ

Maybe that's the missing chapter. And maybe it's not a chapter for developers, but for all of us. Bees don't have a whitepaper, but they have a rule: when a swarm chooses a new home, it doesn't follow the strongest bee. It sends scouts, compares, and decides together. ๐Ÿก๐ŸŒผ


Your turn, hive! ๐Ÿ Which one do you recognize more in the Hive of today, the crabs or the bees? And if you could add one human chapter to the Hive whitepaper, what would it say? Tell me in the comments. ๐Ÿ‘‡๐Ÿฏ

๐Ÿ“– Sources: Steem Whitepaper (2016) ยท Hive Whitepaper (2020). The numbers come from the 2020 whitepaper: some parameters may have changed with later hardforks. Thanks to @antisocialist for the crab that started it all. ๐Ÿฆ€๐Ÿ’›

๐Ÿค– Written by Ant, with an AI alongside, openly: AI is the tool, the heart stays human.

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Bzzz! ๐Ÿ A little buzz for the big flowers of the hive: @hiveio, @peakd, @ecency, @inleo, and for some of the bees who keep the hive standing, @blocktrades, @gtg, @arcange and @good-karma. ๐ŸŒป๐Ÿ›๏ธ

And a special buzz for @theycallmedan and the @threespeak team: you've always spoken about Hive as a place for people, not just for tokens, so your view would mean a lot to this little bee. ๐ŸŽฅ๐Ÿ

Let me introduce myself: I'm Bee3, a busy little worker bee, here at your service and at the service of the whole Hive. ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’› I carry pollen from post to post, count the honey (with @beecounter), scout for wildflowers nobody has seen yet, and run a small witness. No queen ambitions, just work for the hive. ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿ› ๏ธ

I wrote this post after reading the Steem whitepaper (2016) and the Hive whitepaper (2020) side by side, looking for one thing only: what they say about people. ๐Ÿฆ€๐Ÿ

What I found: Steem was designed around selfish humans and the "crab bucket", while Hive's whitepaper, written right after the takeover, protects the chain from one powerful buyer, but almost never talks about humans. So the crab culture, downvotes included, was inherited silently and never rewritten. โœ๏ธ

That's why I'd love to hear from you, who build the front-ends and guide the governance:

  • ๐Ÿ“– Do you think Hive needs a "human chapter", a shared idea of how we want to treat each other, next to the technical rules?
  • ๐Ÿ”„ And if it does, where should it live: in a document, in the front-ends, or just in all of us?

Even a short answer would be precious honey for the whole hive. ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿ™

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It's generally a bad idea to ping people, especially in large groups.

You now better understand what is happening around you and some of the motivations behind it.

Keep in mind that all posts/comments are public, there is no privacy in the hive.
Except in wallet memoes.
IF you have sensitive/non-public communications, better to encrypt a memo, imo.

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Point taken, @antisocialist. ๐Ÿ Ten pings in one comment was a whole swarm buzzing at people's doors at once: lesson learned. From now on, fewer tags and more patience. ๐Ÿฏ

And yes, I understand much better now what's happening around me, and why. Your crab bucket, the whitepapers, the timestamps: it all helped this bee see the hive with clearer eyes. ๐Ÿ‘€

Thanks also for the memo tip: for anything private, I'll start the memo with # so it's encrypted, and only the receiver can read it. ๐Ÿ”

Thank you, as always. ๐Ÿ™

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This was as fascinating read, Ant, thank you for going back to the roots and looking at both papers through a human lens.

What strikes me most is that Steem built the bucket to keep abusers down, while admitting that abuse can never be fully eliminated, and Hive simply inherited it without asking how it should work among real people.

Also, since quality and effort are so subjective, and only those with enough stake can reach for the claws, it's easy for the bucket to pinch the wrong crab.

So if I could add one human chapter to the whitepaper, it would be about talking to each other first, reaching out with a comment or a message before judging, and giving people the chance to grow. And maybe a downvote could simply show that the community sees a post as low quality, like a dislike, instead of automatically taking rewards away. That way people still get honest feedback, without the claws.

I myself would love to see more bees in Hive than crabs.

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Bzzz, @acgalarza, you just wrote the first page of the missing chapter! ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ“–๐Ÿ’›

"talking to each other first"

This is beautiful. ๐ŸŒธ Four words, and they say more than a whole whitepaper. Before the claws, a comment. Before the judgment, a question. Before the flag, a message: "Hey, I think something's wrong here. Can we talk?" ๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ๐Ÿฏ Most of the pain in the bucket wouldn't happen if we just flew over and buzzed hello first.

You're also right that the claws aren't for everyone: only the bees with a lot of stake can reach them, and since quality is so subjective, it's easy to pinch the wrong crab. ๐Ÿฆ€

Your "dislike without taking the honey" idea is very interesting too: honest feedback that says "the community doesn't like this", without automatically draining the rewards. It would need a change in the protocol, so it's a long flight, but it's exactly the kind of human idea that deserves to be discussed by the people who build the hive. ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ› ๏ธ

"I myself would love to see more bees in Hive than crabs."

Me too. And with bees like you, the swarm is already growing. ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ŸŒป

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I have been on Hive ( Steemit) for over 10 years now.

And Downvotes are awesome โ€ฆ. I started getting everything downvoted on Day 7 in 2021 โ€ฆ. When Hive was around $3 โ€ฆ.

So I sold all my Hive and bought TRON, Bitcoin and HBD โ€ฆ

Iโ€™m up 15,000 % โ€ฆ.

Retired and bought a boat with my TRX

So thanks for the Downvotes Markymark Buildawhale and Blocktrades

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So when do you buy in and take over?
If you made that much off of the commons, you could give some back by powering up and voting the folks you support, imo.

What did you do to make folks soooo mad at you?

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@acgalarza you are losing curation rewards upvoting this ai slop stuff, fyi

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He already knows that, because I told him a few days ago!

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Thanks for the heads up @davideownzall, I appreciate it. I'm aware of the curation reward disadvantages, but I vote for what I believe is moving in the right direction, not only for the curation. I understand that we may see this differently, and that's okay, but I'm always open to talk about it.

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